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#21

Unintended Acceleration THE INCONVENIENT TRUTH :persevere:

Near accident while parking just now!!
Submitted by hami05 on September 29, 2016
Wow guys I’ve seen those unintended acceleration threads before and thought that the person must’ve always definitely been punching the accelerator, but I’m not so sure after what just happened to me. Please hear me out, because my son and I are frankly quite scared right now. I was driving into a parking lot and I just lightly pressed the accelerator as I was going under 10 mph and all of a sudden my X went from 10 to over 40 mph in about 2 seconds! I didn’t even know the thing could accelerate that fast! Can anybody explain what the heck might’ve happened? Thankfully I was about 100 ft away from any other cars before it took off, so I had time to slam the brakes without panicking, otherwise who knows what would’ve happened… I’m certain that I didn’t accidentally activate cruise control/AP, so there’s no way that could’ve caused it. My theory is that the regenerative brakes may have given me a sudden kick of acceleration? I’m kind of worried now, because this is actually the second time something like this has happened to me, except the first time wasn’t nearly as bad, so I didn’t ask you guys about it. Has anyone else had this happen to them? Do you guys think I need to ask my Tesla team about this?

trmc47 | September 29, 2016
Welcome to the world of unintended acceleration. Since I have responded this thread will more than likely disappear from the forum soon.

hami05 | September 29, 2016
@eddiemoy, wasn’t a resume cruise control. I just went on a 5 minute drive from home to the grocery store and never used cruise control at all. Didn’t hear a cruise control activation noise or see the icon turn blue either.

There are now 6 documented cases of unintended acceleration in model x cars not including yours.

Don’t worry, Tesla will say it was driver error. There are at least 6 of us that know they will
Just be glad you didn’t kill someone.

hami05 | September 29, 2016
@trmc Yeah I’m definitely relieved that there was no accident this time, but I am really getting a bad feeling that I’ve just gotten lucky a couple times now that it didn’t happen while I was actively trying to park. It’s not like I hit any of the pedals hard to make it go that fast. I am not trying to claim that I thought I was hitting the brakes and the car accelerated instead. I am aware of exactly what I was doing, which was just lightly feathering the accelerator so that I could pull up to a parking spot, and the thing suddenly took off, without me trying to floor it or anything even close to that. Now I know that this is a quick car and it doesn’t take a whole lot of pressure to get it flying, but I’ve been driving it for over a month now and this is new for me. I don’t feel safe driving this car right now because of this, and I just want to find out what might’ve happened, so the car won’t try to take off like that on me again. Really crazy situation here…

Triggerplz | September 29, 2016
@hami05 glad u and your family is ok

Big T | September 29, 2016
Why do these claims of sudden acceleration only happen while parking? Why not while slowing to a stop sign? Or a red light? Or stop-and-go traffic?

Big T | September 29, 2016
Oh, and why is it drivers new to Tesla?

Triggerplz | September 29, 2016
“Are ok”

bejachb | September 29, 2016
@Big T Amen!

David N | September 29, 2016
glad everyone is safe.

“Do you guys think I need to ask my Tesla team about this?”
Seriously? I would’ve called the moment it happened, from the parking lot.

trmc47 | September 29, 2016
Call Puzant we need to get in touch with you. Puzant Ozbag. If you do an intent search you can find him. He had the first model x that experienced unintended acceleration. With such an uncommon name he easy to find.

trmc47 | September 29, 2016
Internet search my typing is not the greatest on a phone

lhanspal | September 29, 2016
Not sure if posting on this forum is the right way to handle this - my view, is that you need to take your car to the Service Center to get to the bottom of it…

Just to keep things in perspective … I have not experienced this situation with my X. If we take it at face value, if that’s 7 legitimate cases out of 10-12,000 MX built … that’s 0.06% … that is honestly not statistically conclusive to brand the X with a problem. Though, even a single case is one too many… if it’s legitimate.

Remember - this is just a forum for Tesla enthusiasts to exchange info… no one here, is really qualified to give you a diagnosis, except Tesla. So best to take it to the Service Center.

My 2c…

lilbean | September 29, 2016
@hami, Glad you guys are OK. Now your story provided details that make sense. I do believe you. :slight_smile:

carlk | September 29, 2016
You foot was on the pedal?

carlk | September 29, 2016
You foot was on the pedal?

houstonviper1 | September 29, 2016
hope you filed a “bug report”

Triggerplz | September 29, 2016
@ham They gonna be coming out the woodwork after you on this, hang in there

Big T | September 29, 2016
“They gonna be coming out the woodwork after you on this, hang in there.”

Yes. Because anyone that had TWO sudden acceleration events would run to a forum instead of calling Tesla.

Thanks for not being as quick to point fingers as some others. I appreciate the well wishes. I do plan on calling my service center tomorrow and I didn’t do it tonight because of the time, but I did note that this happened at 8:58 pm EST, in case they want to have a look at that. @BigT, actually this hasn’t only happened to me while getting ready to park, the first time I was just accelerating up to 25 in my neighborhood and it suddenly went to 35 in a second but I wasn’t too bothered about that, because it was just a 10mph burst, but this one that happened to me today was the car jumping 30 mph… I’ve driven this car for 2000 miles now and it’s the only car I’ve been driving really over the past month, so I don’t think that this has to do with me being too new with it. If this has happened during my first week of ownership, that’s definitely a possibility, but I’m seriously convinced now that this might be a hardware/software problem with my car.

hami05 | September 29, 2016
@Carlk, yes I was driving into the parking lot about 100 feet from any cars, just feathering the accelerator under 10mph. It was an extremely light press the whole time and right before I took my foot off the accelerator to let the car creep forward, it just took off like a rocket and I was forced to move my foot and hit the brake within 2 seconds. I’m really glad that my wife wasn’t driving because I’m almost certain that she would’ve panicked and this situation might have ended differently. :frowning:

Big T | September 29, 2016
No Hami, you said “Do you guys think I need to ask my Tesla team about this?” That just doesn’t make sense.

Big T | September 29, 2016
And they have 24x7 support.

george.ixxapiga… | September 29, 2016
Interesting

hami05 | September 29, 2016
@BigT, yes I asked if you guys thought I should ask my Tesla team to look at that, and by Tesla team I meant my service center because that was the contact that came to my mind. I hadn’t thought of calling support, so thanks for that advice. Now the reason that I asked you guys whether I should give them a call was because I was holding onto a small hope that one of you guys would be able to give me a simple explanation that fits why this happened to me today, before I went to Tesla to try getting an answer from them because A. I wasn’t sure how long it would take to get an answer from them, as from experience I see that they’ve been fairly slow to respond to things and B. I didn’t think that they would be able to give me a solid explanation.

george.ixxapiga… | September 29, 2016
Don’t you think you should be reporting this to NHTSA?

george.ixxapiga… | September 29, 2016
I’ll give you an explanation.
Unintended acceleration is intirely possible on any modern vehicle that has electronic control of the fuel injection system OR the electric motor.
there are many studies that show that electronic glitches and logic lock ups can indeed cause this.
Toyota paid a $1.5 B fine for denying and covering up Unintended Acceleration incidents.
Tesla’s logs might say that it was the drivers fault but it could easily be the case that the glitch occurred downstream of the monitoring point.
There is an abnormal percentage of Unintend Acceleration incidents in the Tesla and in particular the Model X.
Go to the NHTSA website and have a look.

Denial is not a river in Florida.

george.ixxapiga… | September 29, 2016
The most prominent incidents of sudden unintended acceleration recently took place from 2000-2010 in Toyota and Lexus vehicles, resulting in as many as 89 deaths and 52 injuries.[3] The NHTSA first opened an auto defect investigation into Toyota vehicles in 2004, but the Office of Defects Investigation (ODI) within the NHTSA closed the investigation citing inconclusive evidence. Toyota also claimed that no defects existed and that the electronic control systems within the vehicles were unable to fail in a way that would result in an acceleration surge. More investigations were made but were unsuccessful in finding any defect until April 2008, when it was discovered that the driver side trim on a 2004 Toyota Sienna could come loose and prevent the accelerator pedal from returning to its fully closed position.[4] It was later discovered that both the electronic control systems and the floor mats of the affected Toyota vehicles could cause them to accelerate suddenly, and that Toyota had known about these problems but had misled consumers and continued to manufacture defective cars. In March 2014, the Department of Justice issued 1.2 billion dollars in financial penalties against Toyota in a deferred prosecution agreement.[5]

Physical analysis conducted on Toyota’s electronic engine control system including accelerator pedal position sensors (APPSs) in 2011 showed the presence of a significant number of tin whiskers. Tin whiskers are elongated or needle-like structures of pure tin that grow from pure tin and tin alloy surfaces. Toyota’s APPS were found to use tin finishes. These tin finishes can produce conductive tin whiskers capable of creating unintended electrical failures such as short circuits. The use of tin finish in Toyota’s APPS is therefore a cause for concern.[13] Similarly in 2013, materials used in an automotive engine control unit (ECU) from a 2008 Toyota Tundra truck were analyzed. It was found that pure tin with a nickel underlayer was used as the connector finish in the unit, and analysis revealed tin whiskers on the connector surface. Further testing under a standard temperature-humidity cycling showed tin whisker growth, raising additional reliability and safety concerns. These studies show that poor design choices, such as the use of tin finishes, result in unintended failures.[1

And that’s just a small part of it.
The high currents and induced voltages created by the Tesla’s electric motors mean that there is a much higher probability of glitches, spikes and latch ups.
To lay all the blame on the drivers is what those in the ndustry would term…BOLLOCKS!

george.ixxapiga… | September 29, 2016
In April 2013, Betsy Benjaminson, a freelance translator working for Toyota to translate internal documents, released a personal statement about Toyota covering up facts about the sudden unintended acceleration problem. Benjaminson stated she “read many descriptions by executives and managers of how they had hoodwinked regulators, courts, and even congress, by withholding, omitting, or misstating facts.” [46] Benjaminson also compared Toyota’s press releases and mentioned that they were obviously meant to “maintain public belief in the safety of Toyota’s cars—despite providing no evidence to support those reassurances.” This public statement was released when Benjaminson decided to name herself as a whistleblower after she had been providing evidence to Iowa Senator Charles Grassley.

This leak of internal documents fueled a criminal investigation by the FBI and the Justice Department that had been ongoing since 2010,[47] and on March 19, 2014, the DOJ issued a deferred prosecution agreement with a $1.2 billion criminal penalty for issuing misleading and deceptive statements to its consumers and federal regulators, as well as hiding another cause of unintended acceleration, the sticky pedal, from the NHTSA.[42] This fine was separate from the $1.2 billion settlement of a class action suit paid to the drivers of Toyota cars who claimed that their cars had lost value as a result of the SUA problems gaining publicity in 2012 and is the largest criminal fine against an automaker in US history.[48] Toyota was also forced to pay a total of $66.2 million in fines to the Department of Transportation for failing to handle recalls properly and $25.5 million to Toyota shareholders whose stock lost value due to recalls. Nearly 400 wrongful-death and personal injury cases were also privately settled by Toyota as a result of unintended acceleration.[48]

george.ixxapiga… | September 29, 2016
Google “YOUR CAR COULD TAKE OFF BY ITSELF
SUDDEN ACCELERATION IS NOT A MYTH”

“I just got into the car, started it up,
placed my foot on the brake and shifted
into gear. When I took my foot off the brake
the car just took off.” In all too many of
these events the mechanism by which the
event ends is catastrophic. The tragedy of
deaths that should not have occurred, lives
ruined by devastating injuries, and even
lives ruined by unwarranted criminal
charges and incarceration are typical results
of sudden acceleration events.
This simple statement describing a
sudden acceleration event has been
repeated thousands of times since 1982.
Why 1982? This was when the mass
changeover from carbureted to fuel
injected engines took place. With this
change came the mass use of the electronic
cruise control.
The auto manufacturers would have
everyone believe that all sudden
accelerations are caused by the driver’s
pedal misapplication. The victims who have
experienced a sudden acceleration and
those who know the science know that
sudden accelerations happen due to design
defects.
I have been investigating sudden
acceleration events for nearly twenty years.
Over this time I have heard the
representatives of the auto industry try to
spin the pedal misapplication story to fit
what they want and cover themselves.
They do it even when it contradicts what
they have said in the past, or defies logic
and science.

mhkeyemd | September 29, 2016
Just curious… does it matter if you have 75D, 90D, P90D, or P90DL? They have different acceleration speeds. Does that matter? I’m not an engineer or a mechanic, so I have no idea. When I test drove P90DL, I felt more scared during accelarating versus my 90D.

george.ixxapiga… | September 30, 2016
I think it is blindingly obvious that if you have a case of Unintended Acceleration (which is NOT impossible) then the higher the acceleration the worse the situation.
It doesn’t take a “genius” to work that out.

george.ixxapiga… | September 30, 2016
Expert Argues With Electronics Fault Logic

In his paper, Mr. Sero counters this argument. He states that the culprit may be a regression to “drive-by-wire” vehicle configurations that lend themselves to sudden acceleration issues. He states,

“Drive-by-wire combined with the increase in number and complexity of electrical and electronic devices with their numerous interconnections and lack of adequate EMI protection means that not only will sudden accelerations continue but numerous other electronic anomalies will occur.”

According to Mr. Sero, it was Toyota’s decision to incorporate this structure into its vehicles that led to the proliferation of sudden acceleration problems, not driver errors. According to his research, Ford Motor Company found that the integrated speed controls in vehicles, similar in structure to the drive-by-wire configuration, resulted in six to ten times the number of sudden acceleration events of vehicles with standalone cruise controls.

Toyota claims that it has recalled the affected vehicles and repaired the problems that relate to sudden acceleration. However, there is no evidence that this problem will not continue to arise in other vehicles.

Source: Renaissance Engineering, “Your car could take off by itself: Sudden acceleration is not a myth,” Samuel J. Sero, BSEE, P.E.
Note:
EMI (Electromagnetic interference) can be caused by external EM fields or in the case of Electric Vehicles may be generated by the car itself.

george.ixxapiga… | September 30, 2016
To this day sudden acceleration
events are still occurring. They are
beginning to proliferate in the drive-by-wire
vehicles, a change that has made it possible
for defects to arise in which the normal
driving operation to pull open the throttle
causes these events without operator input.
Toyota, one of the first manufacturers to
adopt drive-by-wire, has over 600 reported
incidents of sudden acceleration alone.
One need only go to the Office of Defects
Investigation web site under NHTSA to find
these reports and reports on other vehicles.
Drive-by-wire combined with the
increase in number and complexity of
electrical and electronic devices with their
numerous interconnections and lack of
adequate EMI protection means that not
only will sudden accelerations continue but
numerous other electronic anomalies will
occur. These latter have already been
manifested in air bag, ATC (automatic
traction control ) and ABS ( anti-lock
braking system ) malfunctions, and roll over
prevention control malfunction.
It is admitted by the auto industry
that these EMI fault aspects will leave no
trace of their occurrence. This is the same
finding that was made by the aircraft
industry, medical electronics industry, radio
operated devices such as cranes industry,
and even the wheelchair industry. EMI is
not a new problem, but as predicted in the
1975 NHTSA (National Highway and Traffic
Administration) EMI evaluation document,
the increased use of electrical and
electronic components in vehicles has led to
increased EMI problems.

That’s not me saying that …
It’s this dude - YOUR CAR COULD TAKE OFF BY ITSELF
SUDDEN ACCELERATION IS NOT A MYTH
Samuel J. Sero BSEE, P.E.
Renaissance Engineering
Forensic Engineers


#22

Complaint Number: 10910884
Vehicle Identification Number: unknown
Your Vehicle’s Make Model and Model Year: TESLA MODEL X 2016
Note: Your VIN, make, model, and year are all protected under the Privacy Act.
What part of your car was affected? Speed Control
What happened?
This is a complaint about the Tesla Model X and Model S Unintended Acceleration incidents. It appears that Tesla is still using an accelerator pedal that has only a single sensor. This pedal is supplied by Ford who have a history of UA incidents involving electronic throttle control. Some manufactureres have now swapped to a dual sensor 6 wire system. In the event of a bad input from one sensor this triggers a fault code and disables the accelerator. Tesla has repeatedly claimed that in all these incidents the logs show 100% throttle. This can easily happen due to dirt or whiskers on the sensor. The log would be unable to show whether it was a genuine case of pedal pushed to the floor or an electrical glitch. I should not need to remind you of the history of Toyata and Ford UA cases and the NHTSA. Tesla nd its supporters constantly repeat the old claim that all cases of UA are caused by driver error. That was true for mechanical throttles but it has been proven that electronic engine controls are susceptible to EMI or spuriously induced glitches. With the Tesla’s Insane and Ludicrous acceleration the results are even more dangerous than for a less powerfull vehicle. Please investigate as to whether Tesla is still using a throttle sensor that does not have dual circuit safety protection


#23

Date Complaint Filed: 10/12/2016Date of Incident: 10/07/2016Component(s): SERVICE BRAKES , VEHICLE SPEED CONTROLNHTSA ID Number: 10915633Consumer Location: SANTA CLARA, CA
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Crash:Yes Fire:No Number of Injuries:0 Number of Deaths:0
Manufacturer: Tesla Motors, Inc.
Vehicle Identification No. (VIN): 5YJXCBE22GF…
SUMMARY:
TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2016 TESLA MODEL X. WHILE PARKING THE VEHICLE, IT ACCELERATED WHILE DEPRESSING THE BRAKE PEDAL AND CRASHED INTO A FENCE. THERE WERE NO INJURIES AND A POLICE REPORT WAS NOT FILED. THE AIR BAGS DID NOT DEPLOY. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT DIAGNOSED OR REPAIRED. THE MANUFACTURE WAS NOTIFIED OF THE FAILURE. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 1,000.


#24

Complaint Number: 10925035
Vehicle Identification Number: unknown
Your Vehicle’s Make Model and Model Year: TESLA MODEL S 2016
Note: Your VIN, make, model, and year are all protected under the Privacy Act.
What part of your car was affected? Brakes, Speed Control, Unknown or Other
What happened?
This is a complaint about the Tesla Autopilot. This report has just been posted on the TMC Forum. https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/autopilot-crash-today-tesla-response-less-than-stellar.80594/ I I took my friend to a local Tesla store and we went for a drive. AP was engaged. As we went up a hill, the car was NOT slowing down approaching a red light at 50 mph. The salesperson suggested that my friend not brake, letting the system do the work. It didn’t. The car in front of us had come to a complete stop. The salesperson then said, “brake!”. Full braking didn’t stop the car in time and we rear-ended the car in front of us HARD. All airbags deployed. The car was totaled. I mention this for the obvious reason that AP isn’t autonomous and it makes sense to have new drivers use this system in very restricted circumstances before activating it in a busy urban area. The salesperson was understanding and apologetic. When I called to make sure it was cancelled, they said they were aware of my salesperson’s notes in the system, but didn’t mention it until I asked and only after asking my why I canceled. They promised to send me an email confirmation of the cancellation. It didn’t arrive. This evening I received a call from Tesla. They wanted to know if I wanted to cancel(!). The person was totally uninterested in the crash, even after I asked if she knew about it (from the system notes). Totally flat. They sent me a cancellation email, but didn’t specify that the deposit would be refunded. This isn’t cool and I cannot believe a company with this much positive P.R. wouldn’t have moved this way up the ladder immediately to make sure that someone who’d already ordered a car and was introducing a potential buyer was taken care of. This crash could easily have resulted in death or injury. Please take action to stop this dangerous experiment.
Files you uploaded.
Autopilotcrash.jpeg
When did this happen? 11/08/2016
Was there a Crash? Yes
Was there a Police Report? No
Were Vehicles Towed? Yes
Was there a Fire? No
Was there an injury or fatality? No
How fast were you going? (in mph) 30


#25

Complaint Number: 10930293
Vehicle Identification Number: unknown
Your Vehicle’s Make Model and Model Year: TESLA MODEL S 2016
Note: Your VIN, make, model, and year are all protected under the Privacy Act.
What part of your car was affected? Speed Control
What happened?
Here is a discussion thread in which an owner complains of Unintended Acceleration causing a crash. https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:l1PligGjRGQJ:https://forums.tesla.com/sv_SE/node/75376+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au The poster seems genuine but was immediately attacked by Tesla defenders and accused of driving whilst female. The thread has been taken private and/or deleted but I have archived it. Sample: Sudden acceleration Submitted by reginalha on December 4, 2016 I’m still shaking. I loved my car until today. I was going very slow into a parking space with my foot on the brake and the car accelerated really fast and into another car. I pushed on the brake so hard and my foot was still on the brake when the car stopped (yes, I looked). I thought there was information about other people who’ve had this problem on this forum but I can’t find it. I’ve reported it to Tesla. Damage to both cars aside, I’m now afraid of my car! Can someone tell me the forum to read about other’s experiences? Thank you. *********************** SbMD | December 4, 2016 BTW, people have tried to post false reports on this in the past, and not just with Tesla. I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt. You can consider making this a private post, which will demonstrate that you are a bona fide owner and not a person simply trying to post falsely here. ******************* lilbean | December 4, 2016 Is anyone keeping track of these accelerations? Weren’t two of them in front of nail salons? ************ SilverP85plus | December 4, 2016 beanmeister, there was a gym too lilbean | December 4, 2016 All women drivers right? Just sayin… The gym…I mean really, people that anxious to go there It is NOT impossible that the Tesla has a defect causing Unintended Acceleration. Please investigate.
When did this happen? 12/01/2016
Was there a Crash? Yes
Was there a Police Report? No
Were Vehicles Towed? No
Was there a Fire? No
Was there an injury or fatality? No


#26

Date Complaint Filed: 12/14/2016Date of Incident: 12/13/2016Component(s): AIR BAGS , STRUCTURE , VEHICLE SPEED CONTROLNHTSA ID Number: 10935272Consumer Location: AMAGANSETT, NY
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Crash:Yes Fire:No Number of Injuries:1 Number of Deaths:0
Manufacturer: Tesla Motors, Inc.
Vehicle Identification No. (VIN): 5YJXCBE24GF…
SUMMARY:
I HAD PULLED INTO A PARKING LOT, PROCEEDED TO PULL INTO A SPOT ADJACENT TO A CINDER BLOCK BUILDING. I HAD MY FOOT LIGHTLY ON THE GAS PEDAL, THEN AS I MADE THE TURN INTO THE SPOT, MY FOOT WAS ON THE BRAKE - THE CAR LURCHED FORWARD AND SPED UP AND THE BRAKES DID NOT STOP IT. I WENT RIGHT INTO THE CONCRETE BUILDING, HEAD ON - AIR BAGS DEPLOYED. THE FRONT END CRUSHED AND THE 2 AIRBAGS ON THE DRIVERS SIDE DEPLOYED AND WERE SMOKING. I READ ON LINE THAT THERE HAVE BEEN NUMEROUS INCIDENCES OF THIS HAPPENING WITH THE TESLA. SPONTANEOUS ACCELERATION WITH MY FOOT NOT ON THE GAS PEDAL. THE CAR WOULD NOT STOP BY THE BRAKES! I COULD HAVE BEEN SERIOUSLY INJURED OR HIT ANOTHER PERSONA OR VEHICLE. THE CAR HIT THE BUILDING AS WELL AS A NATURAL GAS PIPE THAT WAS RUNNING ALONG THE BUILDINGS SIDE AT THE LEVEL OF MY FRONT BUMPER. I FILED A POLICE REPORT.


#27

#28

February 7, 2017 NHTSA ID NUMBER: 10949955
Components: SERVICE BRAKES, VEHICLE SPEED CONTROL
NHTSA ID Number: 10949955

Incident Date January 5, 2017

Consumer Location MOUNTAIN VIEW, CA

Vehicle Identification Number 5YJSA1E1XGF****

Summary of Complaint

CRASHYes

FIRENo

INJURIES2

DEATHS0
I WAS STOPPED AT A STOP LIGHT ON MY WAY TO WORK AROUND 8AM ON A VERY CROWDED CITY STREET. AS THE LIGHT TURNED GREEN, I SLOWLY PRESSED ON THE GAS TO MOVE FORWARD AND THE CAR TOOK OFF AT TOP SPEED. I HIT THE BRAKE BUT THE CAR DID NOT RESPOND - IT DID NOT SLOW DOWN OR STOP, NOR DID ANY ALARM, EITHER VISUAL OR AUDITORY, GO OFF INSIDE THE CAR. TO HIT THE CAR IN FRONT OF ME AND THEN HAD TO SWERVE TO AVOID HITTING DOZENS OF CARS IN MY PATH. I GRAZED PAST A LAMP POST, ANOTHER CAR AND FINALLY CRASHED INTO A TREE.


#29

NHTSA ID Number: 10953656

Incident Date December 23, 2016

Consumer Location PASADENA, CA

Vehicle Identification Number 5YJSA1E22GF****

Summary of Complaint

CRASHYes

FIRENo

INJURIES3

DEATHS0
COMPLAINANT, A PHYSICIAN, HAD TAKEN DELIVERY OF A 2016 TESLA MODEL S ON DECEMBER 22, 2016. THE FOLLOWING DAY, SHE PULLED INTO HER DRIVEWAY AT HOME AND BROUGHT THE VEHICLE TO A STOP. WITH HER FOOT STILL ON THE BRAKE, THE VEHICLE SUDDENLY ACCELERATED ON ITS OWN FROM A STOPPED POSITION TO SPEEDS OF BETWEEN 40-60 MPH. THE VEHICLE PLOWED THROUGH THE BRICKS OF HER DRIVEWAY, THROUGH SHRUBS SEPARATING HER PROPERTY FROM HER NEIGHBOR, WENT THROUGH AND ACROSS THE NEIGHBOR?S YARD AND ONTO AND ADJOINING STREET, WHERE IT COLLIDED WITH A TRUCK.

1 Associated Product


#30

Complaint Number: 10967098
Vehicle Identification Number: 5YJSA1AC9DFP10638
Your Vehicle’s Make Model and Model Year: TESLA MODEL S 2013
Note: Your VIN, make, model, and year are all protected under the Privacy Act.
What part of your car was affected? Brakes
What happened?
This is a Telsla Model S in the junkyard that is just one of many which have run into the back of another vehicle. https://www.iaai.com/Vehicle?itemID=22544553&RowNumber=3&loadRecent=True There appears to be a disproportionate number of Teslas appearing in salvage yards with heavy front end damage. It seems probable that the habit of “one pedal driving” that Tesla owners brag about on the forums may be playing a part in this. Not only do drivers fail to have the foot “covering the brake” as taught by driving schools but also the regenerative braking is reported to be highly erratic and depends upon the state of charge of the batteries and is also subject to alteration by each new release of software. Relying on erratic regenerative braking is problematic but also it is likely to degrade the driver’s muscle memory and braking reflex possibly leading to pedal confusion. The following two threads show how widespread the problem is. https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/could-1-pedal-driving-lead-to-unintended-acceleration-incidents.83578/ https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/whats-wrong-with-the-tesla-regen-or-my-car-chart.87537/ Please investigate this. Thank you.
Files you uploaded.
Teslafrontended.jpg
When did this happen? 01/01/2017
Was there a Crash? Yes
Was there a Police Report? Yes
Were Vehicles Towed? Yes
Was there a Fire? No
Was there an injury or fatality? No
How fast were you going? (in mph) 30
About how many miles were on your vehicle at the time of the incident? 40000


#31

Complaint Number: 10967098
Vehicle Identification Number: 5YJSA1AC9DFP10638
Your Vehicle’s Make Model and Model Year: TESLA MODEL S 2013
Note: Your VIN, make, model, and year are all protected under the Privacy Act.
What part of your car was affected? Brakes
What happened?
This is a Telsla Model S in the junkyard that is just one of many which have run into the back of another vehicle. https://www.iaai.com/Vehicle?itemID=22544553&RowNumber=3&loadRecent=True There appears to be a disproportionate number of Teslas appearing in salvage yards with heavy front end damage. It seems probable that the habit of “one pedal driving” that Tesla owners brag about on the forums may be playing a part in this. Not only do drivers fail to have the foot “covering the brake” as taught by driving schools but also the regenerative braking is reported to be highly erratic and depends upon the state of charge of the batteries and is also subject to alteration by each new release of software. Relying on erratic regenerative braking is problematic but also it is likely to degrade the driver’s muscle memory and braking reflex possibly leading to pedal confusion. The following two threads show how widespread the problem is. https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/could-1-pedal-driving-lead-to-unintended-acceleration-incidents.83578/ https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/whats-wrong-with-the-tesla-regen-or-my-car-chart.87537/ Please investigate this. Thank you.
Files you uploaded.
Teslafrontended.jpg
When did this happen? 01/01/2017
Was there a Crash? Yes
Was there a Police Report? Yes
Were Vehicles Towed? Yes
Was there a Fire? No
Was there an injury or fatality? No
How fast were you going? (in mph) 30
About how many miles were on your vehicle at the time of the incident? 40000


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Complaint Number: 10979886
Vehicle Identification Number: UNKNOWN
Your Vehicle’s Make Model and Model Year: TESLA MODEL S 2016
Note: Your VIN, make, model, and year are all protected under the Privacy Act.
What part of your car was affected? Brakes, Steering
What happened?
Here is a discussion thread in which several owners report a broken ground connection causing a loss of power assisted steering and power assisted braking. https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forums/alert-loss-steering-and-braking-while-driving Also a YouTube video of an owner reporting the same problem. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM5z0dW60KE Another discussion thread of a broken ground stud. https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/ground-stud-nut-over-torqued.86688/ Loss of power assistance on such a heavy car is extremely dangerous. Many drivers would not have sufficient strength or skill to steer the car and apply the brakes hard enough. Once again the fanatical devotion of Tesla owners is the reason that they fail to report these faults to NHTSA. Please investigate.
Files you uploaded.
snappedground.jpg
When did this happen? 03/01/2017
Was there a Crash? No
Was there a Fire? No
Was there an injury or fatality? No
How fast were you going? (in mph) 30
About how many miles were on your vehicle at the time of the incident? 2000